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||My interest in the movement is connected to my role as President of the
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representing approximately 200 members from cities, campuses and private
industry professionals in CA. Please see our website cppa-parking.org for
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--Don (Hollywood, CA)
||Almost any time a peaceful secession movement is going on, I
support it! Best of luck California Republic! The rest of us won't miss
you, and we hope you won't miss us!
--Mike (Ormond Beach, FL)
||I live in Oregon, I grew up in Salem. When I started to get
political and looking at the country as a whole, I came to realize
that the west coast is really different than the rest of the country.
Three major towns on the west coast are what the public consider Pro-gay.
San Francisco, Seattle, Portland. The separatist movement resides in
California right now, but if the Ballot measure ever came to Oregon.
you'd have my vote for a unified country of even just California, Oregon
and Washington. I also know a few friend in Vancouver, WA that would
vote to separate also. So California, you're not completly alone.
--Theodore (Troutdale, OR)
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||While I am real gung ho on the idea of California seccession, we have
to put ourselves in Jeff's (Move On California organizer Jeff Morrissette) shoes for a second. Probably something that
needs to be accomplishedbefore going for a ballot measure is hiring a
lawyer - which will take $. Jeff is putting himself on the line with this
website and even more so - if more concrete neccessary steps are taken.
I plan on sending in my contribution ASAP - we need a solid foundation
and to do this right.
But make no mistake about it - we would be infinatley better off
without the USA leaching from us both financially and morally. WE NEED TO
STAND UP FOR OUR VALUES AND TAKE OUR RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THE FAMILY OF
--Steve (Petaluma, CA)
(NOTE: Thanks, Steve, I appreciate your vote of confidence. There is a donation button on the main page if anyone desires to make a monetary contribution, or a mailing address if you like.)
||It's almost hilarious, last saturday morning I was telling my
friend how california should secede from the US, how being a part of
the US goverment is only hurting us, and I mentioned how these bible
belt states are running our government, that it was time for a reform, and
I even offered suggestions on how we could secede. Then later that
evening I heard about this site on the news, I couldn't believe the
coincidence! Regardless, lets move on! California for itself!!!
--Gustavo (Granada Hills, CA)
||As a native-born son of California, it's disturbing to me
how overwrought and mismanaged the state is because of US greed.
California's economy is giant, it should cast off from America and conduct
business on its own terms, both with itself and with the rest of the world.
Such a move would greatly reduce the force by which the US exerts its
will onto its own ppl and the rest of the world, indeed, the
international community would embrace an autonomous California and would seek also
to protect it.
--Trin (Portland, OR)
||After the election I thought California should consider
secession. I have lived in CA most of my life and I do feel we are
ignored. So many of my friends were very depressed and some even cried after
Bush won....I want to live in some other country. Bush is not my
president. I don't like anything about him and think he is one of the worst
presidents we have ever had.
--Cynthia (San Diego, CA)
||I can imagine a happy scenario where California requests to
secede and the red states say, "good riddance"; where programs and
policies that reflect our local identites and beliefs can be put on the
books, and where a state that's already a formidable economy on its own is
recognized as a nation by other countries.
I can also see less happy scenarios; civil wars, ridicule, getting the
"France" treatement from 49 states.
However, I believe that even the threat of California secession -- the
fact that citizens of this state are contemplating the idea that the
union no longer represents their beliefs, the fact that they care enough
to want to do something about it -- I believe that that is incredibly
powerful. I would be happy if California were able to secede. But I
would be appeased if our elected officials took note -- if they realized
the number of people who are effectively disenfranchised, because their
views are not being voiced, because their morals are not being viewed as
part of the "moral majority", because their needs are not being met.
If our desire to secede makes our legislators realize California's
important contributions to the economy of the United States, and makes them
strive to meet our needs and represent our views, then I will believe
our job is well done.
--Trisha (San Francisco, CA)
||If the propaganda on Towhhall.com, the commentary of Fox
News, Rush Limbaugh et al, are any indication, the redneck red states
would welcome California moving on. Thankfully most of the people who
voted for Bush are too arrogantly ignorant to realize by encouraging
California to break away they would be losing more and we would gain from
being our own country.
Is there enough reason? If Bush succeeds in realizing his so-called
mandate, the result would be an ideological regression that would be
tyranny to most Californians. That was reason enough for the colonists to
revolt from the rule of George the III. It's time for a new rebirth of
freedom revolting from Bush 43.
--David (Lompoc, CA)
||The religious right are not "fundamentalists" and one might
question if they are truly "Christian" or merely a doppelgangerish evil
twin. They have sabotaged the term "fundamentalist." In truth they are
heretical and promoting a "Christianity" that is the opposite of the
teachings of Jesus. What part of "my kingdom is not of this world", "turn
the other cheek", "walk the extra mile," "blessed are the peacemakers"
and myriad scriptures about not judging others don't they understand?
The religious right are part of a heresy known as "Reconstructionism",
"Dominionism" and has ties to the Latter Rain heresy.Aong other things,
these loony tunes HATE true Christianity which shows them up as being
the greedy, judgmental, bigoted sorts that they are. WE, the true
Fundamentalists, are their enemy. We don't want to rule this world as those
who speak as if they were us do according to their gospel --- the gospel
of their Saviour, the corporate whore GW Bush. If one has read their
literature they will find that the first people they will go after will
be people who are real Christians. After that they will take their
version of "Christianity" and slaughter the rest of you.
I am one disgruntled Fundamentalist Christian who is annoyed with the
hijacking of the term "Fundamentalist Christian" by the right wing
Reconstructionist heretics. Call em what they are. If they are called
Reconstructionists and heretics it takes power away from them. THey wear the
term "Fundamentalist Christian" as a mask over who they really are.
Tear the mask off of them and expose them for what they are.
--Cynthia (Hollywood, CA)
||Here's a good read about how the "Red States" are actually
the real welfare states.
I kind of like the whole Pacific Coast seceding, including Hawaii, and
possibly British Columbia if they feel estanged from Canada. The people
from the states that support Bush can also use their tax dollars, and
send their family members overseas to fight his war for him without us.
--Rob (San Diego, CA)
||California, nay, blue state secession, is an idea whose time
has come. This is very true because just as a Georgian doesn't feel
comfortable in Calfornia, a Californian wouldn't feel comfortable in
Georgia. I live in the next state over in the *only* county that went for
Kerry (Clark County, Nevada -- Las Vegas is the seat), and I could only
hope that if the chance for secession presented itself, Clark County
would join. It's a wonderful idea whose time has come especially for those
of us that want to get off this out-of-control train before it slams
into the wall of reality and destroys us all. I've lived in 2 blue states
and I can say that they are really carrying the red states. And what do
they get in return? A never-ending stream of religious doctrine,
warmongering and endless corporate greed. Dissolution is the only solution.
--A (Las Vegas, NV)
||if these fascists are bombing Iraq into the stone age - what
do you think they would do to California if we tried to secede?
How would we defend ourselves?
--Cathy (San Diego, CA)
||Being a native born Southern Californian I've always felt
like a foreigner when visiting the rest of the U.S.. We are way ahead of
the rest of the country who look down their noses at us. I say become
the California Republic like it says on OUR flag!!
--Joseph (Irvine, CA)
||Several weeks ago I wrote a letter (which was not published)
to my local newspaper advocating a referendum on Nationhood for
California. The term Nationhood is less onerous when we consider the possible
seperation, which however appealing, should be tempered with the notion
that secession is unlikely and undesirable. California still shares a
great geographic, social and political bond with America. California
needs greater autonomy to mold its destiny as one of the largest economies
in the world, and define itself as a socially progressive and dynamic
Recently I read a report on the Biotech industry in California,
specifically the seven companies doing Stem Cell research in the San Francisco
area. The report, from Forbes magazine, was critical of the companies
and their research. The report confused business and politics in a way
that underscores the issues. Calfornians approved the stem cell research
bill, research which Washington opposes. In some ways California has
already taken the first step, albiet a very small step toward autonomy.
There are other issues where California leads the way, including gay
marriage. Wedge issues which divide voters at the national level, could
provide support for a California Autonomy bill in Washington. California
is never going to be able to protect her borders with Mexico while
immigration policy is being made in Washington. This is vital to protecing
California, and the other states as well.
Finally Nationhood seems inevitable at some point. The timing of these
matters is always critical. Perhaps we have an opportunity now to
achieve this goal. We have a governor who aspires to national leadership,
and a national election system which has become a tyranny of minority
constituencies and their narrow interests. California can do better.
--Dave (Vista, CA)
||I was pretty much a leftie most of my life. I had a father
who was a Democrat and a mother who was Republican. Lately I feel both
sides leave much to be desired. Acting superior and suggesting
seperation is not going to unite us. it seems rediculous to even consider we
could stand alone. I am embarressed by both the right and the left. I
do what I can in my own life to make this a better world. And there is
plenty to do to help all our neighbors. I don't have time or interest
in ideas like this. We have too much work to do.
--Susan (Capitola, CA)
||This is an idea that in my opinon is long overdue. You have
my support with your goal.
--James (Felton, CA)
||This is an awesome idea! I've actually thought about this
for quite some time and it is great that some one has taken some
I am currently serving in the U.S. Navy but I would like to contribute
in anyway I can.
--Matthew (Los Angeles, CA)
||I don't think the idea will ever work.
But I do believe there are 2 California's. If you look at a voting map
you can see the difference in views.
I don't like the idea that small states on the East coast elect the
My idea is to divide the state. If you look at the blue/red map, north
and south doesn't make sense, but an east and west would. We'd get 2
more senators. Just an idea that might work.
--Jim (Fresno, CA)
||Alright guys lets calm down here. I am a liberal democrat,
and I do not agree with the way that Bush & Co. are taking the nation.
That said, secession is one of the worst ideas that I've heard in a
while for getting the country back on the right track. Number one,
California could never sustain itself as an inderpendent nation as the United
States would immediatly place extremely high tarrifs, if not an embargo,
on goods coming to and from California. This, along with the likely
restrctions on travel that would be placed on U.S. citizens would cripple
the Californian economy. If this didn't work, the U.S. would surely use
military force to regain California, as secession is not constitutional
(a precedent set by the civil war).
The government of the United States is set up as one that is run by the
majority, and unfortunatly, right now the republicans are that
majority. But ya know what guys, we just have to tough it out...complaining and
proposing drastic courses of action arent going to help us get and
votes in the congressional races in 2006 or the 2008 presidential race. I
think we need to take a lesson from the republicans for once. From 1992
to 2000 Clinton was president. My father is republican and he absolutly
hated Clinton, as did most republicans. However, they stayed positive,
they didn't talk about the south seceding form the Union again, they
focused on getting republicans into congress and a republican into the
White House in 2000. And even though they used questionabel ethods to do
so, we would haev done the same thing if we could have. Right now the
liberals in this country are in a dark period, our views are just not
being placed into law. Rest assured hwoever, when the country co!
mes to it's senses, out views will be acted upon. Until then though,
we just have to tough it out.
--Matt (Hampstead, MD)
||The site sould be called ciao.org (California Independent
--Sheldon (Santa Cruz, CA)
||It's scary to hear talks of secession among people in the
year 2004. Even though I hate Bush with a passion, we must realize that
we are still a United Nation. We all may not agree on issues, but we
must work together. The government would never go for it either, and all
it will do is create another civil war. The first thing we must do is
work on getting rid of the Electoral College. Instead of crying about the
nation and how you hate it, get out there and do something to try and
make it better. Running away from problems is not the solution.
--Mark (Huntington Beach, CA)
||I Love California but I detest the way the u.s. govenment is
tearing us Californians apart. Whatever means it would take to become an
independent country would be a difficult but well worthwhile endeavor.
America is not the gleaming jewel she used to be. A Califoria Republic
would be a great addition to the United Nations! Let the rest of the
USA bail on its responsibilty. Let's use our brains and do this thing
right! The benefits would be many. The drawbacks would mainly be for the
rest of the continent.
--Jeff (Long Beach, CA)
||I would love for California to be it's own country. Imagine
getting away from all of those corporate greedy little hands and
fingers. Not only that but we can really be a democratic country. Getting rid
of the stupid electoral vote. Heck, maybe we can elect a independent
third party for once. Maybe the green party. Once we are a country we
could probably concentrate on something important, something other than
war, we can look for solutions to the green house effect. I'm pretty sick
at the fact that California is the 5th largest economy and our tax
money are wasted on government contract on warfare projects and other
useless stuffs. I'm also sick of companies and people complaining that if we
put regulations on companies and corporations business would leave the
state. GOOD, leave the 5th largest economy. We don't need those
companies because you can't realize California protential and it's protentials
of making money.
--Anthony (San Gabriel, CA)
||Let's not be led by the dross.
--Max (Los Angeles, CA)
||Great Idea! Can you include Hawaii?
--Gary (Hilo, HI)
||I think California would be much more efficient if we were
independent. Our economy is outstanding, our views are extremely different
from the union, and we have been making an attempt to progress but are
held back by conservatives in Washington. Becoming independent would
mean we can provide better services to our citizens and improve the
quality of life.
--Daniel (Watsonville, CA)
||Does anyone else out there still have a copy of "Ecotopia"?
--Dennis (Seattle, WA)
(Editor's note: Yes, "Ecotopia" is still available and is about $10.00 at eCampus--just click on this link:
||A few weeks ago I visited San Deigo, it was the first time I
ever went to California and I must say that only a blue state could
bring forth such a beautiful city. Your message is noble and logical. Just
recently a small Okalahoma red town voted away $11 million for a local
school because the school said no to a nativity scene. If they are
willing do this in Red America imagine what they would do in blue state
America where education is sacred. California does not have to face
the world alone. I am sure a lot of New Yorker's and other blue Americans
would love to join you. Please consider making this into a blue state
America wide movement. The more we wait the worse it will get,
--Lamar (Brooklyn, NY)
||After laughing my ass off on your absurd proposal, it dawned
on me that you liberal nut jobs are STILL in denial that George W. Bush
was re-elected President, and this is yet another atempt to circumvent
reality. Okay, so lets say hypethetically that Calif suceeds,
esentially becoming it's own "country"....How long do you think it would take
the rest of the US or even Mexico to take Calif back? About a day or so,
(Mexico would probably take 2 days, since we don't have much control of
the border situation).
Seriously, you should stick to issues you liberals are really good at,
(Gay Marriage, higher taxes & more social programs), and leave
California's politics to the real professionals!
The election is over...George Bush IS our President elect; time for you
all to take your own advise and MOVE ON!!
(PS...I can't wait for Michael Savage, "The Savage Nation" to rail this
on his show!!!)
--Keith (Salinas, CA)
||If California leaves the union that would not be good for
California; how would they support themselves? If a state did secede
from the union; the union has the power to take all military arsenal away
such all army, navy, air force, and California Police departments
;weapons, vehicles etc. If California could truly be (in)dependent without any
help at all from The US then I’ll welcome it but that would never
happen. California would have to coin and print there own money, write a
constitution, select a type of government, president, prime minister or
whatever they could decide. California would, bluntly, not have enough money to
do so California would have to create their own army powerplants and coast
guard. If it came to that California would have to return everything
payed for by The US government and that would leave them in debt.
--Kevin (Washington, DC)
||Easily the most asanine concept I have ever heard. I
thought this website was a joke at first. Want to leave?
Go ahead! Do the rest of the country a favor. I can't
believe this is a serious concept. Have you any idea how
destroyed California would be if it seceeded? Just because
your state can't deal with its own issues and has to many
problems of its own doesn't mean you need to come up with
some crazed concept about how you are basically better
than the rest of us or how basically we just use your
state and its money. Figure out the problems you have
created for yourselves and then maybe your state will be
where you want it to be. I support gay marriage, I am
Pro-Choice, and I support stem-cell research but seceeding
is suicide for California. Think your ideas through before
irresponsibly cause a spur-of-the-momemt rush. Trust me
any interest in your idea you may have had so far, will
--Evan (New Jersey)
||I think the entire West Coast should do it. I would love to
see it happen. Washington, Oregon and Cali should just combine
--Mary (Olalla, WA)
||The constitution was made for a much smaller country in
territory, and population. We have once again returned to the (1860) map
which seems to be this countries balance point. The Red State Vs Blue State
divide can only increase into the future. It is time now to consider a
new (AU) American Union made up of seperate Republics, in an American
Confederated Union. The present system of govenment is begining to fail.
1. How many times has Europe changed it's map, boundaries,
political system, monitary system in the last (100)one-hundred years?In
the last (50)fifty years? In the last (25) twenty-five years? and with
the old Soviet Uniion gone, are forces for change still in the wind?
2. The Founding Fathers of The United States, even made it clear that
the constitution would not remain forever, and that in nature as in
world events their comes time for change. Forces for change are natural and
we should embrace change. Thomas Jefferson felt that government should
be abolisished every generation and reconstituted.
3. Abraham Lincoln was mistaken by his use of force to maintain what in
the end will not, and cannot be maintained. Regional Forces will and
are begining to pull The United States apart. Alaska, Hawaii and the
states West of the Mississippi have very little effect on the Yankee
Republic or the Republic of Dixie.
4. The Creation of The Republic of Alaska, The Republic of Hawaii, The
Republic of California (Washington State, Oregon, Californis, Arizona,
and Nevada), The Republic of Texas, The Sioux Republic, The Confederate
Republic, The Union Republic, into an (AU) American Union of
Confederated Republics, would be more in line with the new modern times.
5. We are a country of (300M) Three hundred million people, it take
(12) twelve hours to fly by jet from Maine to Hawaii, (4)four hours to fly
from Alaska Northern Slope to San Diego's Mexican Boarder. Regional
differences are becoming deeper and deeper, it is time to do what the
founding fathers said would become necessary. Create a new form of
government for in line with our times.
--D.L. (El Cajon, CA)