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||Our state flag is a replica of the
Bear Flag for the California Republic,
which was in fact a fledgling independent nation, somewhat like Texas.
It is inately a discrete geographical unit in every sense. Only
thinly populated mountains are found
around this state's domestic borders.
Only huge Tijuana, about the size of Chicago, touches California in an
near contact at our international Border. I am a
Californian who has voted Republican
in most elections. I think we should
put our foot down about they way the
Bush presidency and the National Democrats have catered to the vast
"army" of largely unwelcomed migrants
from Mexico. But, that being said, I
feel that we have a moral obligation
to embrace the Mexican-American community who actually have established
themselves here. I think ending illegal
immigration should be a constitutional
keystone, in any new California National
declaration of Independence, or new
constitution. All future border crashers should be treated as felons
upon arrest, prohibited from
applying for entrance for at least 10
years. They should be sentenced to work
on public works related to Border security for a year before
I take this seemingly harsh position,
in the same way that Mexico must take a hard line with non-Mexicans
their sourthern border. There is a ligitimate concept in geo-politics.
I think is is called "IRREDENTISM"
That is the common sense perception that
people from a bordering nation, having
strong cultural differences with the
nation concerned, must put reasonable
controls on immigration from that other
neighboring country, or in time, they
become the dominant political force
in the area, and can, through war or
plebicite, gain actual legal control of the "invaded" region.
is widely recognized that immigrants from ANYWHERE ELSE are inately
more likely to conform to the cultural norms
of the existing state after immigration.
than those who have family and culture a few hundred miles away or
California, whether under the U.S. nation, or as an independent nation
MUST address this greatest threat to
stability and prosperity in California.
We have 3 choices, Strengthen U.S.
commitment to securing California,
Plan to return the state to Mexico by perhaps the end of the Century,
form a new California Nation State,
commited to remaining a first world
economy, and closing off the toxic
effect of run-away immigration while
totally accepting the established
Californians of Mexican orig.No
illegal immigrants should be employed
after independence, and any employer
should be sent to work on the labor
gangs maintaining the border security.
Sadly, Mexico is so out of control that it must be treated as a kind of
pathogenic problem...like a terrible
plague, that must be controlled or it will take most western hemisphere
down with it. With almost no overseas immigration, Mexico's population
has increased 700% in 100 years. That doesn't count the 40 million that
come to the U.S. The Mexican/Californians who will be the
the largest group in the new nation,
need to buy into these facts, and accept the implications of further
immigration. I honestly think they will!
--Allan (Simi Valley, CA)
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||Why don't just the bay area and L.A County leave. Orange,
San Bernardino, Riverside and the east part of the state is
conservative. I think we would all be happy if the bay area and L.A. left. The
real dictators are the socialists that try to outlaw anything they don't
like, not the conservatives. Please leave as soon as possible.
--Paul (Anaheim, CA)
||very interesting idea!
--Lisa (Yorba Linda, CA)
||I am a proud American who believes in America and all it
stands for and not just threatening to leave if elections don't go my way.
Eight years of Clinton and I never thought about giving up on America.
--Bob (Glendora, CA)
||Your web site does not seem to mention one little problem.
The Mexican Reconquista of the state of California.
Illegal Immigration from Mexico..that's why my family left California.
They have a better chance of controlling California then you do.
And that is a sad thing.
--A. (formerly San Clemente, CA)
||This would be nearly impossible but a movement like this
would be a wakeup call to the morons in Washington.
--Thomas (Laguna Niguel, CA)
||Please let this happen, that way I can move out of his
communist state. Take our commie Governor with you also! You elected him I
didn't, Tom McClintock was the best choice. All the left wing wacko's
and star struck idiots put Arnie in office.
Kalifornia use to be a great state but is now just a stomping ground
for all of America's trash! Give us your burnouts, illegal aliens,
walfare cases blah blah blah.
Just remember that it was the big cities that won the state for Kerry,
look at a breakdown of the counties. There were more that voted for
Bush but L.A., Frisco and SD have more people that eat fruits and nuts.
Let's keep running California into the ground, good job Arnie. I don't
know why your worried about secession, the left wing wacko's running CA
already do the opposite of the rest of the U.S. Ever hear the saying
"if you can pass it in Kali, you can pass it anywhere"?
Why do you think other people in other states hate us? Because they
think "we" come up with all the stupid laws! Heck, I'm surprised they
haven't banned your website yet. We ban everything else, you can't even
enjoy California anymore because Suzie socker mom thinks it's bad. Go
ahead, seceed, please!
--Shawn (Lancaster, CA)
||You better read our constitution. It matters not if every person in California chose to separate. Besides California is made up of more than just blue people. You may have a majority but it is FAR from overwhelming.
--Jerald (Whitmore, CA)
||The word "liberal" currently has a negative connotation and
should not be used as much. I would concentrate on the word "moderate"
to describe the people of California. I think most Californians are
moderate. The current two party system that dominated US politics should
be trumped by a third party for moderates. Economics and the
environment should be the key motivators for California secession. California
is a wealthy state that has nothing to show for it.
--Rebecca (San Pedro, CA)
||We're here where the redwoods are being
hacked to death by corporate "liquidation logging" being prosecuted by the s&l;
mogul, Charles Hurwitz, who took over Pacific Lumber (or PALCO) lumber. He's
based in (you guessed it) Texas. The old giants have been cut to a fraction
of their numbers just since I got here 7 years ago. It's more than alarming.
--Anne (-------, CA)
||I live in a Red State
currently, but would support the recreation of the Republic of
Calfiornia. I have, for years, felt there was a second "Civil War", as it were, coming.
--L.S. (Hollywood, FL)
||I entirely support this idea and have been saying it for
quite some time. It makes a whole lot of sense for us. Let's make an
America founded on the actual ideas found in the constitution. Not just the
conservative religious twistings of them.
--Angela (La Habra, CA)
||I actually thought about the possibility of secession about
a year before the election. Not only did it protect us from the
religious right, but it made economic sense, considering we could take total
control of the pacific rim trade economy. At first, all my friends
thought I was crazy to suggest it, but now, after the election, they are
far more accepting of the idea. I am pleased to find that there are
clearly many more who believe this might be a necessary move, and would
like to involve myself in any way possible.
--Jeff (Irvine, CA)
||I appreciate how you are handling this discussion. While secession sounds radical you are putting forth some very rational ideas that are inclusive of views that transcend the political spectrum. Frankly I had never given much thought to the feasibility of an independent California, but your approach makes it seem almost plausible. Keep up the good work.
--Marcia (Palo Alto, CA)
||The Feds will NEVER allow California secession without a
fight. It took the combined strength of the entire south to allow
secession, and the bloodiest war in America to put and end to it. Still, it
inspires hope in a damaged political community to dream about it! I for
one, and many other activists were talking about secession since the
Reagan administration, so I have to say I appreciate Moveon California for
creating a mass dialogue on the subject.
--Dave (Los Angeles, CA)
||The idea of secession reeks of sour grapes. Instead of
fixing the problems inherent in your party, you choose
to whine and want to run away from percieved evils.
Bush won because your party had nothing to offer the
majority of Americans. Your party was taken over
decades ago by rich, arrogant elitists. And until you
purge them from their lofty positions of power the
democrats will never again hold the presidency. Get rid of the Gores, Kennedys, Kerrys, Soros' and the
McAulifs. Those are the people that have brought your
party to the brink of ruin. Even blacks and Hispanics
(I am one) are abandoning your party in increasing
--Rico (Sacramento, CA)
||Yes, please do and take your senators with you.
--Joe (Franklin, OH)
||Secession is a great idea, even if it only involved
California. The sensitive, enlightened, progressive population centers of the
US no longer need to be bound to the knuckle-draggers in the Red
states. Would the people of the new countries initially have dual citizenship,
at least until people had a reasonable time to move from one area to
--Roger (Charlotte, NC)
||This is ridiculous. You guys are just sore losers.
"Conservative domination" my ass. If Gavin Newsom and the gays hadn't chose
their innopportune moment to make a stand, your nominee would probably be
in office. Now shut up and quit whining.
--Jack (Atherton, CA)
||It is about time! It is time we take our life style on the
road. Freedom with responsibility and vision.
--Michael (Sacramento, CA)
||Secession is not a dream, it is a vision of the people who
want to improve upon their lives and obtain honest representation in the
voice of government. If our forefather did not have this dream where
do you think we would be today? Is it a risk, without a doubt, but
lessened when carefully planned and implemented by the people as a whole.
Would the federal government let California go without a fight or
threat of force? The answer is yes if done in the proper manner and with
the support of the International community, which would lend
creditability to its establishment and official recognitions as a sovereign state.
How do people think other countries are formed? Some questions have
been about the need to print our own money, why? There are several other
sovereign countries who currently use and recognize the US dollar as
their official currency, yet they are not a part of, governed by, or
territory of the USA. What about the lands held by the federal go!
vernment? These lands would become the sovereign property and under
the control of the new republic, yet there need not be a fight for
control for lands which are military bases. The new republic would
negotiate in good faith of the people, for the lease and subsequent lease
payment of the lands, or perhaps a usage exchange in return for providing
the national protection of the new republic, while officially recognizing
our national boundaries and waters. How do you think the last
remaining superpower in the world would look or be conceived, it they were to
oppress or prevent, by force or otherwise, a movement for independence
within their own lands, by the people under due process. When we preach
democracy and freedom to the world, that still applies to us as well.
As for revenues for this bold new republic, consider this. California
has one of the largest economies in the world, not to mention that 100%
of taxes, tariffs, and such would stay in California for the pe!
ople of California. We have the largest and busiest sea ports in the
USA, where 80% of container traffic enters the USA, and departs. Don’t
believe me, just ask the Longshoremen’s Union. We are capable of self
supporting air traffic, ground breaking scientific research,
educational advancements, public opinion and the list goes on! Would we be
giving up our rights? No, we would have to draft and adopt a national
constitution, fairly elect our 1st national congress and our political
leaders. Could this happen quickly, not a chance, but it could within the
next four years, if this is what the people, all the people want and
desire, expressed by a vote. We would once again control our lives, our
rights and freedoms, our economy, and our future. It’s an interesting
discussion, and a profound possibility that should be considered before
we lose much more to special interests and groups on the other coast,
and political misrepresentations. I for one would be proud to serve on
a committee to explore the future of California.
--Don (Garden Grove, CA)
||I think the idea is worth considering, especially now, with
the U.S. in danger of becoming a fascist theocracy. Since the election I
have thought of this, in many forms, i.e,
california, oregon, washington, northeast states, some great lakes states joining canada. I truly don't
see any deviation from the right-wing path we seem to be heading down
at this time in our history. The right now controls the executive,
legislative, judicial, and it seems the election process as well. The last 2
presidentail elections were fraudulent, especially the 2004 one,
florida, ohio, and who knows where else. I have absolutely no confidence in
our electoral process. Please keep me informed, I am very interested in
--Robert (San Simeon, CA)
||Hey, tell me what you think. Move-on California wants to
introduce an initiative to have CA leave the union and become a left wing
state. My response of their website:
The dream of the left is the creation of a social state. Secession at
the expense of making this powerful economy an independent nation would
be a temporary dream at best and in the long term a nightmare. It
would in the end be an economic and social disaster. And before you even
think or say racism, I am an American of MEXICAN ancestry! A dose of
reality here so please read as you are ignoring the Mexican factor
California has yet to accept.
Secession without establishing border enforcement for example would
open the state to uncontrolled immigration that would drain and erode the
middle class that you would depend on paying the budget of the state
and driving the economy in a way that you couldn't imagine today. With
the non-Hispanic population reproducing less than Mexican immigrants
(Mexican Americans not including other Hispanics will be over 50% of the
population by the year 2080) what would stop a future generation from
putting it up to a vote and supporting joining the nation of Mexico?
Does your group even bother to stop and think that socialism would not be
accepted by a largely religious, highly Catholic population who would
be more likely to lean towards fascism? The dream nows gets shorter and
proves naive to the new minority: whites.
Do you honestly think that you Gringos will be treated well by a gov't
and population that is still furious for having lost CA and the south
west to the whites. And do you think you will receive the generous
treatment you wish upon other by a population who could now exact their
revenge like most humans in history who act on the ghosts of the past?
Ethnic cleansing was never thought possible in a peaceful multi ethnic
Yugoslavia in the 1980s but a few years later this nation destroyed
itself in civil war and genocide. Could it happen in CA? Whitey, visit the
bario in East L.A. at night! LOL Do you really want to live under the
corruption of the Mexican gov't? Think how well blacks are treated in
Mexico today. Don't have the answer to that? Just ask blacks who dare
visit Mexico. And in the end, all you would end up doing is asking for
what remains of the U.S. for help. And by the way like most Americans
of Mexican ancestry, I have to tell you we believe in God and !
if faced with a choice of ideals from some left over from the Haight
Ashbury days pot smoking hippie or the Catholic church, who do you think
we would we side with? Most Mexicans in the U.S. are Catholic and
about 25% are evangelical Christians.
Like most true Americans, I find my loyalty to my nation rather than my
race and pray this never happens because Mexico ran us Mexicans off our
own nation by their failed economic policies and corruption. White
America has been good to my family but not all Mexicans see it that way.
After all (and look this up) one aspect of Mexico's foreign policy is
to expand their borders. So do you think withholding the economic
development Mexico could be capable of is an accident? More poor Mexicans
come to the CA, the quicker this land goes back to Mexico. As a Mexican
American, we should be glad we are part of the U.S. since Mexico didn't
want us in our country so chinga Vincente Fox y Viva America! And as
an American you should be glad that I'm on American's side because most
Mexican Americans if faced with a choice, would prefer to be part of
Mexico and a religious nation than a socialist system that would promote
gay marriages and a Godless state.
Lastly, ignoring the values of all Californians, including those who
oppose legalizing drugs and want Under God on our coins and have a belief
in God regardless of religion will not be supported this over all. The
far left and far right has had a history of arrogance by ignoring most
of us who live in the middle and we know it. We just have to act up
and we're starting too.
--Gabe (Orange, CA)
||California Secession is a great concept.
Although I love the U.S., and I've been an honest, good-hearted, kind,
hardworking, law-abiding, environmentally sensitive citizen--I certainly
don't wish to live the rest of my life governed by those who are not.
Bring it on!!!!!
--Brenda (Santa Barbara, CA)
||At first, it seems like a great idea. But it is a significant and serious one, and a lot of analysis will have to be done. California may be the fifth or fourth largest economy in the world, but do we have a trade surplus or a trade deficit with regard to the other states? How do we feel about the possibility of being embargoed? How do we feel about the fences now facing Mexico from our border being moved to face us from the borders of Oregon, Nevada and Arizona? An ICE garrison in Primm, Nevada? Interstates 5, 10 and 15 blocked by checkpoints? How do we feel if the federal government decides we Californians are “with the terrorists”, as no doubt the current regime in Washington thinks of many of us already? Will California remain one state or will it split asunder itself, with many of the rural counties choosing to rejoin a union led by their fellow conservatives and even possibly acting as fifth columns? It might be far easier at first to go with war tax resistance, to encourage all disgruntled Californians to reduce their IRS payments en masse, and to make statements in support of mutiny among the soldiers being called by IRR and held by stop-loss to continue fighting in Iraq against their wishes. With luck, if Rumsfeld keeps being allowed to open his mouth, that will happen eventually anyway.
--Avery (Bay Point, CA)
||I have lived in a red state for years, and redneck stupidity
is deeply ingrained here in the south. Blue states' economies have
funded this country since reconstruction,
yet backward racism, fundamentalist xenophobia, and a love of violence
remain the three legs of southern culture and society. Lincoln was
wrong. Simply put, democracy and a free civilized society are not valued
in the south or by many red staters. In their churches they drone on
about the Kingdom of God, indeed they much prefer the yoke of tyranny to
living in a decent democratic society.
--Richard (Atlanta, GA)
||I think a well thought out, well worded ballot initiative
would be a good idea. I would caution you against gradualism, using
civil rights for African Americans and for "the happy people" as historical
warnings. It's also necessary to get some credible heavy hitters,
politically, morally, celebrity-wise, on board before proceeding to do more
than just talk.
Thank you for giving me hope.
--Judith (San Diego, CA)
||I was just wondering. If California secedes from the US,
invariably there will arise disputes over taxes and trading since most if
not all of our Asian imports have to come through the state. I think
that rail and road services will have to be allowed, unimpeded and
untaxed through the state. I don't think that most Americans would object to
the secession per se, but no inconveniences to American businesses or
commerce could be tolerated or else this topic is just an academic
--Ben (Decatur, GA)
||Comments are all but unnecessary, insofar as the need for
secession is concerned. First, we must determine if such a thing is
feasible at all. If it is, there are a million and one things to discuss,
including whether such a move when placed for a vote, should be timed
to coincide with presidential elections, so that a majority of the
voters in any State considering secession should be able to move in and out
of it, as they will.
--John (Los Angeles, CA)
||PLEASE LOOK INTO THE LAW IN TEXAS REGARDING THEY RENEW THEIR
CONTRACT WITH THE FEDERAL GOV. EVERY YEAR.
IT IS THE LOGICAL THING TO DO WHEN YOUR CULTURE , PEOPLES,FUTURE IS
--Ivano (Petaluma, CA)
||Go for it! The sooner California is freed from those
fascists and empire builders in DC, the better. Enough of their insanity!
--Reece (Sebastopol, CA)
||We haven't had a civil war in over 100 years. Think of the
re-enactments, memorabilia, documentaries, etc., etc.
--Ruth (Berkeley, CA)
||Your rational approach to this issue is commendable.
"Winning Hearts and Minds" is the important first step, so people see that
California as an entity is viable and it had solid reasons for secession,
not just grumpy post-election blues. I will do all I can to help! What
can I do?
--Ryan (------, CA)
||We re troubled by many things happening in our nation:
economic kamakazi, loss of civil liberties, and last but not least war
mongering. The nationalism seems dangerously tainted with intolerance. The
sooner the better as far as we are concerned .. leave the union; we
don't want to be a part of this kind of behavior.
--Jeanette (Santa Cruz, CA)