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New California Republic posts a select number of responses both pro and con. If you would like to contribute a longer, thoughtful essay favoring one view or another, please submit it to info@newCaliforniarepublic.org. Paste your comments in the body of the email. No attachments please. Thank you for visiting New California Republic.

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3/11/05
I love the idea of an initiative proposing secession or exploration of the idea,if, for no other reason than to put the federal government and the right wing on notice. California would make a wonderful independent nation!
--Nancy (Woodside, CA)
3/10/05
I have been watching this site for sometime to try and get a handle for the thoughts of other people. I do feel that we should have self determination, but if you look closely, Mr. Lincoln put an end to that and most of the freedom that we had. But look at some of the things you say and concepts that you harbor. The California energy crisis had nothing to do with Bush. This was something fostered with the Clinton white house (a man that you'll still overwhelming support). It was brought about by your own politicians who were smart enough to be suckered into buy their own energy production!!! Thus each and every one of you are guilty of this, that is why Bush said it is the states problem, if you are dumb enough to get into it then get yourself out. Most of the federal programs that are using your money in other states are those interferring programs that have no effect that you support by your direct votes or those of your representatives (look at the idiots you s! end to Washington). Istead of secession, why not try to return our government to the form we had before Lincoln.
--David (Shreveport, LA)
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3/9/05
I am not a Californian, but an Oregonian. Despite this, I am completely for California secession, but plus one more thing: Oregon gets to tag along. This would probably have to be West of the Cascades, as to the East we are red pro-Christian Right, but to the West, we are Liberals. I believe that although GWB is not harming our economy as much in Oregon as he is in California, we still are much more alike you guys South of us than those guys swindling our money back East. For a new Republic!
--Skylar (Portland, OR)
3/8/05
I am tired of the government increasing religion in a so-called secular country. Our bad buget is because the government is taking too much money from us. We need all the money to state with the Californians. We need to start California nationalism and create our beautiful Democratic California!
--Amit (Fremond, CA)
3/4/05
I'm a native Californian, 54 years old. California is already one of the greatest countries in the world--why not make it official? I think it's a great idea.
--Gregory (San Francisco, CA)
3/4/05
I have heard a rumor that moveoncalifornia is defunct. Hope that is not the case. Many here are very interested. Please let us know. THanks.
--Jim (Sonoma, CA)
(NOTE: Move On California has been forced change its name because of the possibility of legal action by another organization.)
3/2/05
This is an interesting idea, and there are definitely sections of the country that would let California go in peace. Unfortunately, in the Civil War, California fought on the side of the Union and helped form the legal prinicple that the Union is perpetual. Therefore, California cannot secede without creating a new "War Between the States." It would be the California National Guard vs. the entire United Stats Army. Furthermore, the military bases in California, especially the navy base in San Diego, are of extreme importance to United States strategic control of the Pacific Ocean. I do not believe that the federal government and the rest of the states would allow California to leave. An independent country on the west coast of the United Staes would be strategically dangerous, unless demilitarized. In this case, the California Republic's defense would have to be the responsibility of another state, either Canada, the US, or Mexico. In effect, this strips the state! of its sovereignty, because it can be tough to rule freely with someone elses army on your soil, especially an army with its own ideologies. Furthermore, California, as a state, is heavily divided. The Coastal areas are heavily liberal, but as you move toward the mountains, you move toward conservatives who would be less enthusiastic about what would be an undoubtedly liberal national government. An addded military problem is that California has few natural boundaries other than the Pacific. It would be extremely easy for a Federal Army to invade through Nevada and rapidly move up the coast. The Interstate System has been designed so that one in every five miles is straight and flat. This enable the Air Force to land heavy military transports and possibly bombers and fighter aircraft on the interstates virtually anywhere. Furthermore, the well paved roads and railroads would allow the military to rapidly transport troops into cities and place them under martial law. Just r! emember what happened to the last people who tried to secede and attem pted to sieze an American fort. South Carolina and the Confederacy won at Fort Sumpter, but they lost in the long run. California may have the industry and strength to hold up in the short run, but there is no stopping the blitzkrieg of a military effort that would result from California secession.
--WCG (Atlanta, GA)
3/1/05
Big news out of Washington state. The legislature is currently discussing a bill that would split the state in two, east and west and create two state out of one. This is big news because I think rather than California secession, perhaps a redrawing of the state lines might be in order and the creation of many new states or city states might be the answer to the question of decentralization rather than outright secession, at least for the moment. And it's more feasible. Imagine a new state of Cascadia, Western Washington, Oregon and Northern California all in one, with eastern Washington and Oregon one grouping too. It can happen because people realize that the states in some ways are artifical constructs as well and even if they are not, population and demogrpahic and economic changes I feel force to rexamine whether current boundaries are so sacrosanct. Take Illinois for example. You could at least divide that state up four ways, Wisconsin and Minnesota maybe two or three ways, I mean there are so many things we can do here and creating Cascadia is a spark that can ignite a bigger fire. Get involved with the Washington question my friends and begin the process.
--Sean (Arkansaw, WI)
3/1/05
In the debate over California secession a few points need consideration. There are some who compare California's clout with the clout enjoyed by The South. While it is pertinent to point out the glaring disparity between the Left Coast and The South in terms of electoral votes and the amount per taxpayer gotten back from the Fed, it would do well to point out that The South is if anything a militocracy of sorts within the context of a potentially democratic society. In My Army experience, many years ago, it was to my astonishment that at least half of my fellow GI's were Southerners and they were overwhelmingly devout "Christian conservatives". The South, now as long ago, is one that prides itself on its military heritage, warts and all. Nowadays, this blend of military devotion coupled with its brand of Fundamentalism(that needs no discussion here) has taken over the country. California may have its right wing conservatives, but they are a distinct minority in an Urban state in which diversity, not mindless devotion, is a strength and a virtue. It is this which I believe is worth sticking out my neck for and risking whatever may come with that action.
--Jesse (San Francisco, CA)
2/25/05
I fully support a secession movement. I am tired of conservative idealogues trampling on our liberties. We have the money, brains, economy, everything. Go for it. And let me help!
--Robin (Monterey, CA)
2/24/05
The Religious conservatives actually pulled off the Presidency of the United States. California has been ripped off by the Federal Government forever. I say "No taxation without Representation." Let the Red states send all the soldiers, since they want the wars. The Blue states can keep the oceans since we live by them anyway.
--Tony (Concord, CA)
2/23/05
I understand all of your comments regarding the merits of California secession. Your arguments for such a drastic measure are valid as well. What I am concerned about is the fact that California (especially Southern California) is an arid region. Although some of our water comes from Northern California, a vast quantity also comes from the Colorado River. If California leaves the union, she may have difficulty sustaining her population. Without seriously considering this hurdle, California could be cutting off her nose to spite her face.
--Kevin (Los Angeles, CA)
2/22/05
I believe that a campaign to bring the issue of seccession to the forefront through local voter initiatives at the city level to support seccesion and to do studies needs to begin. The first step is amending our state constitution which in it's first article prohibits leaving the union. An amdendment to that changing the wording would be the first step. Not actual secession just a step towards allowing it. Then eventual secession.
--David (Barstow, CA)
2/21/05
God bless and protect the independent & soverergn Republic of California !!
--John (Culver City, CA)
2/16/05
I think at the heart of the problem in which we find ourselves today has to do with the overreaching power of the federal government. We who voted against GW Bush feel the abuse more today, because his administration is making use of power accumulated to the federal government over many decades in ways we find particularly odious. So, in a sense, it matters little if we replace a beneficent Democratic president for this one, if we do nothing about the leviathan that has grown in our midst, a monster with a history reaching all the way back to the Civil War. From that time through to today, with the demands of each succeeding crisis, from civil war to rapid industrialization to WW1 to WW2 to the Cold War to the "War on Terror," power has accumulated at the expense of individual rights and personal sovereignty. This imbalance must be addressed or freedom in America will be nothing but a myth. I see California's independence as an opportunity to dismantle the leviathan. The United States is openly operating as an imperial power in the world. Wielding its power however it likes, all in the name of self defense -- a fraud. By breaking out on its own, California can free itself from Washington's militarism. I think a majority of Californians find American chauvinism hard to swallow because our population is so diverse. We see up close and in person that there are many great people and cultures. American is not necessarily the "greatest nation on earth." It's powerful, sure. It's rich, no doubt. It's free, yes but... Cuba, for example, has a lower infant mortality rate than the United States. Scandinavians have a higher median standard of living than Americans. Workers in Canada have more protection against the abuses of employers than workers in the US... Were California able to keep the tax revenue it now sends to Washington, we would have all the resources needed to provide for a first-class, virtually free kindergarten through undergraduate college education for every able young Californian. We could more ably manage our transportation issues. We would have better control over our borders. We would be free to steward our natural resources, our environment, our healthcare in ways that would best suit us, without the meddling of Washington lobbyists and disproportionately powerful politicians from other states (states known to be hostile to California). Part economic super-power, part Scandinavian welfare state, California could finally become golden. Free of the burdens of empire, we could very well show the world a whole new way of self government.
--Mark (Banning, CA)
2/15/05
An independent neutral and non-aligned California Republic has been a long time dream. California has never been like the rest of the US and the difference grows daily. Now our ability to be different is being choked by the rest of the US. It's time to be free. For those concerned the rest of the US will react with force I say not necessarily. There are examples of nations forming peacefully by secession, such as Norway's secession from Sweden in the 18th Century, Singapores expulsion from the Maylay Republic and the Velvet Divorce of the Czech and Slovak Republics. A repeat of the Balkans is not preordained. Our conduct, our determination and dignity will set the tone. This must be California's finest hour and the appeal must be to people's better natures. A further consideration I'de like to offer is that the current political parties of the US won't necessarily apply to California. Californians will find common ground on issues that divide the rest of the US and conflict on some that my surprise us now. An independent California will have different issues than any other nation as her opportunities and problems will be unique. We will likely coalesce around different issues when forming political parties. Remember, the goal here is not to repeat the US experience, that would be a waste of time. The issues of water and electrical resources are all solvable with negotiation. There will be temporary fixes but California will find it's own long term solutions that will typically be more innovative than those of other places. And Washington will no longer be able to say no. It cannot happen fast enough for me.
--Phil (Anaheim, CA)
2/15/05
I really enjoyed your site, As a 7th generation or so California I am completely in favor of secession. However, I think that the drive to make California an indepentent country has to go much deeper than left wing/ right wing politics. It is pretty obvious from you site I think, that it leans towards the left. Tell me what you think, but the United States would never have survived it's first 30 years of existence if everyone that had a different poltical leaning simply left the Union when they didn't like which way govermental ppolicy was going. If California ever became its own country based soley because people who were left wing and didn't like right wing religious "nuts", then why bother to have freedom of the press or governmenal checks and balances? We would all be a bunch of robots, 100% united in our views and beliefs. Why bother to attempt to have any objectivity at all? A independent California must go much much deeper than simply right wing/left wing poltics. California will/ it must allow for left wing communists and right wing religious nuts to share their views and attempt to put them into practice. That's what a liberal, tolerant democracy is all about. You can't have it both ways. You can't say we will allow tolerance and then, all of a sudden, disallow someone's view, just because they are a Christian and you are not... Would do you think? I challenge you to think much deeper about California's future, not just simply on the grounds that just because the US is drifting more to the right in govermental policy. The political winds change, and soon, a democrat will be in the White House again. When that happens, and the country starts to drift back towards the left, then is all the talk about secession going to end?
--Jeremy (-----, CA)
2/12/05
I am a displaced Californian currently living in the fascist republic of texas and can't wait to return home after I graduate this spring. I found this site via a link from a website in which the siteowner himself had been to texas and hated it. i contributed a fair share of my experiences in Cali (mostly positive) and texas (mostly negative) to his site.
--Sara (Richardson, TX)
2/12/05
On the immigration issue, I have some conflicting views - not necessarily with other people but conflicting views in my own head. All of us, even Native Americans if you want to go that far back, are immigrants but, lets face it the Native Americans had been here a long time before Eric the Red or Columbus or the Chinese or whoever set foot on these shores and the Native Americans had developed important, forward looking cultures which we (white Europeans) wiped out. That said, Mexicans, by and large, are Native Americans and they were here first too. We nearly wiped them out too. Remember Father Junipero Serra? So, how is it that we white folks now have the right to say they can't come to a land that was theirs way before we came to believe the earth was round? If California does secede, I would like to see it become a place where everyone was welcome and all would contribute to an economy which would support however many people were here. And, if we throw! out the corporations and let the growing of crops return to traditional ways and refuse to have anything to do with genetically messed up foods (did you know they've been experimenting with putting mouse genes in some of that stuff? Who wants to squeak!)there will be food enough for all and it won't make people sick either! Now you know some of my quirks. I just don't think any of us have the right to tell others where they are allowed to live.
There is one thing I would insist on if I were to become a secessionist and that is that the Governator would be required to step down and totally out of politics forever!
--Diane (Fresno, CA)
2/10/05
Assuming Californians did decide to secede, and assuming that the rest of the country didn't want to let us go, where would the troops come from to do anything about it? The armed forces are already strained; the US could hold on to California (and vermont, Washington, New York, etc.) or Iraq, but probably not both.
--LK (Arcata, CA)
2/10/05
Cafinornia is a modern country open on the world.San Francisco, Los angeles and San Diego have nothing to do with someting else than other pacific states and Nevada. So worth starting to leave néo-cons.
Blessings
--Henri (Brussells, EU)
2/8/05
I would say the question is not whether, but how. Who are our friends and who are our enemies?... The Libertarians, the Reconquista movement, Anarchists, Liberals, as well as other Secessionist movements, and what about the other Californians, the Bajacalifornianos...are they not also Californians?
--Nathan (Sacramento, CA)
2/7/05
At our web site http://www.geocities.com/awebbpaige/ we have suggested dividing California into three states to gain appropriate political clout, but also have explored the "separatist" idea - "secession" carries too much Civil War baggage.
--Mike (Willits, CA)
2/4/05
Ever since the 2000 election and the 2001 energy "crisis" robbery, I have been for secession. All during the energy "crisis" I repeatedly said that we were being punished by the Bush administration for voting for Gore. That was before all the Enron stuff came out. If we can't split from the country then we should devise a plan to economically strap the rest of the country. As you point out California is the 5th largest economy in the world. What happens if we unite with the Eastern seaboard and flex our collective monetary muscle against the red state middle? What exactly do the red states give us anyway? Only rules and rhetoric that they deem moral. And expensive self-serving wars. The blue states have the resourses, manpower, ideas and wealth to cut off the red state power base. Lets starve them into submission; they had no problem "robbing" us into submission during the energy "crisis". Thank you.
--Linda (La Jolla, CA)
2/2/05
I think California Secession would be benificial to everybody -- not just California, but also to me in South Dakota. To be frank, the rest of the Country doesn't want California, and we'd be better off if you were gone. It is better that we part in peace and become friends and trading parters, then for you to stay in the union and futher antaganize many of our more conservative states with your liberal agendas. California used to be it's own Independent Republic. It should be again.
I am a pricipled libertarian and support Secession as a matter of Principle. The United States is simply too big. I would simply abolish the central government in DC, and return every single one of the 50 states back to their original autonomy, if I had my way.
The fact is, you're loosing a lot more then 20% of your money. Half of the money that goes to Washington gets lost in Bureaucracy before it even gets to the California State government. If Washington didn't confiscate that money in the first place, people would be able to with with it what they wished -- and it's do a whole lot more good for Californians where it's at. There'd be no need to tax California's more, to make up for the money you recieve from the Fed. They'd be better able to take care of themselves with-out the federal maphia confiscating their money to begin with.
Anyway, take care of yourself, I sincerely hope your movement succedes. I hope that libertarian Free State Project Works in New Hampshire, and I hope the Vermont secession movement succedes too, and I hope that the Conservative secessionist movement in S Caralina succedes too. The sooner the Federal Government implodes, the better off we'll all be.
--Tracy (Sioux Falls, SD)
2/1/05
California is not one to complain the only place in the country that should have secession is The District of Columbia. There resident pay all federal taxes have federal laws and the no vote , representation in Congress or the Senate.Every time something happens in the District that is a result from the federal government, DC is always made to suffer the burden. DC is the own place that has probable cause to leave the union even though it is the seat of the government, if you look at other capitals or federal districts in the world the have the same representation as regions territories or states except for the District of Columbia.
--Kevin (Washington, DC)
1/31/05
F*ck You all. I hope you all f*cking die...and don't think my use of profanity in anyway masks a mind that is somehow dull...you are no special than anyone else in this country, you are represented more then any other state..you are all traitors and need to be lined up against a wall and shot....
--Patrick (Thornton, CO)
1/30/05
What is your point? If it is that you disagree with the current political climate, then i have to ask, given the United States' growing militancy, do you really think they'd just let us go? You say that this is not a call for a exercise of force to secede, but that, in my opinion is the only viable option. This is not like quebec a few decades ago, where the secession from Canada would have been a blow, but one from which the nation could recover. The loss of California from the Union would be one the President would not realistically accept. Now, i am not an advocate of naked violence, but i have to question your grasp of the realities in our world if you do not believe this is inherently a call for militant action.
--Matthew (Sacramento, CA)
1/29/05
No more orders from the other side of the continent.
--Chris (Orland, CA)
1/29/05
One has to assume Bush will attack us, saying we have WMD (which is true), or will we get rid of those?
--Ruth (Watsonville, CA)
1/28/05
The sad thing is that when you read the comments from people outside of California, most of them are ready to write us off today.
Bush won this election for one reason...fear. If 9/11 had never happened, he would have been out on his ear this last November. Unfortunately, he feels he has the 'political capital' to make all these other changes that he feels God has called him to make. If it were simply about the war on terror, I would support him. It's not. He and the Republican party are working hard to remake this country in their own Christian image.
And I take exception to the comment that secession is un-American. If it hadn't been for secession from Great Britain, this country would never have existed. In fact, this is the most American discussion we could have. I feel that the rest of the country is moving so far right that they only want liberty and freedom for Christian America. Everyone else is considered a second class citizen...regardless of the fact we pay a greater share to the US tax coffers than any other state in the union.
What did GW Bush say when we were being stiffed by the energy industry and facing rolling blackouts due to the failed deregulation policies of his fellow Republican, Pete Wilson? "That's California's problem." He and the rest of the country don't give a crap what happens on the west coast as long as we keep sending our tax dollars to DC.
And I respectfully submit my vote to discuss joining forces with Canada. It's a lovely country and I would consider living there if the climate were warmer. Maybe we can all order t-shirts that say "To secede is to succeed!"
--Ray (Sacramento, CA)
1/26/05
I am all for somekind of seccession from the United States for Western California, Western Oregon and Western Washington. I think you guys should stop telling people it won't happen on your website. It won't happen if we tell people it won't. We have to be serios to be taken seriously. I think it is possible and I am happy to add my input and energy to the cause. Good job on getting the ball rolling.
--Andrew (-----, CA)
1/26/05
I am so depressed and upset about that idiot George Bush being President for another four years, I would like to hear more.
--Kristie (San Diego, CA)
1/25/05
When I was in the military I always had a hard time relating to other people because they considered themselves to be "americans" first ... while I considered myself to be "californian" first. This promted me to looking to politics, and to understand why I felt this way. To that end, I support California secession.
--James (Santa Rosa, CA)
1/25/05
I'm reading all of these comments and I have no doubt that if California were to secede, it would become just as racist as Mississippi because the federal government wouldn't be around to intervene when people's Civil Rights are abused.
Liberals, and the rest of Californians like to believe that they are morally superior to everybody else, but it isn't true.
If Los Angeles is so liberal then why has it had two riots instigated by police brutality? Prison guards in Califiornia are paid more than teachers. And the schools are some of the most poorly funded in the state, which began with Prop. 13 in 1978. Read Joan Didion's "Where I was From."
Oh and how do you think that California beame the fifth largest economy in the world? Agriculture is the number one business in California, bigger than either Hollywood or Silicon Valley. Who do you think picks those crops? The illegal immigrants from Mexico that Californians love to hate so much. They have been picking those crops for decades. Their labor and California's rise as a global power go hand in hand.
The secession movement isn't about creating a more democratic California. It's about giving power to a small group of liberals who favor gay rights and abortion rights. That's it. They don't care about any other issues. That's why the Democratic Party has fallen apart.
--K (Pasadena, CA)
1/25/05
I'd suggest that we accept that the heavily subsidized settlement of the midwest was and is a failure. If you run a company that has failing divisions, you have three choices; you merge enough of them to make one division that can be profitable, you sell the losers off, or you shut them down. California is a profit center. For every $0.75 the federal government invests in California, it gets back $1.00. That makes most of the swath from Texas to North Dakota and Montana a money sink, a bad investment. Can someone tell me what benefit the rest of us are getting from the $2.04 'invested in North Dakota? They have one House member. One, who represents fewer people, the whole state mind you, than Pete Stark whose district includes Fremont, a city with more than half the residents of the WHOLE state.
An alternative to secession is to force the consolidation of these money loser states. Since the constitution specifies at least one house member from each state, we further specify that the state must have enough population to require at least two where each represents the same size population as the national average. This would make for the state of 'Dakota' with two house and two senate members. If that doesn't cover, add Montana or Nebraska. By the way, this *was* the initial condition for entry. The reality is they did not deliver and must either merge or shut down.
--Jim (Santa Cruz, CA)
1/25/05
Great idea, should scare the daylights out of the neocon theo-facists and they will most certainly not let you go without a struggle. As a gay blue stater in a red state, I think my next address will be a reducation camp run by southern baptists. Oh if it could only be, a free California.
--John (Dallas, TX)
1/25/05
Although I am not a current resident of California, I favor the motion. If Calif. does secede, I would strongly consider becoming a resident.
--Joe (Arbovale, WV)
1/25/05
I have lived in CA all my life and I have been pro-secession ever since I became politically aware. Great idea! My husband and I will do any work that we can to help.
--Alexandra (Santa Rosa, CA)
1/25/05
What would happen to federally owned property in California if we seceded?
--Sean (Oakland, CA)
1/25/05
The idea of a separate California saddens me, as I feel strongly that the beauty and genius of this country is its diversity of people and landscape. What is happening now, however, is a form of religious tyranny, and that frightens me enough to consider emigrating. If it comes to that, I'd be far happier if my beautiful state emigrated with me, and I didn't have to leave. That said, I think California is better served by using its influence and resources to turn the tide of national politics.
--Virgina (Rio Nido, CA)
1/25/05
It might be an unrealistic dream but look at what the French Canadians got out of the threat of seccession in Canada. More influence, more independence. Just for that we should go for it. My state is not in deficit. Other staes (mostly REPUBLICAN states are taking our money). Today we have a 8 billion $ deficit and we pay over 40 billion $ more than we get back. This is not right!
--Jamie (Santa Monica, CA)
1/25/05
Secession is an idea I have pondered -and discussed with family & friends- for years. While initially motivated more by the prototypically-Californian principles well-expressed in works such as "Ecotopia"; the BushCo horror show, with all its myriad mendacity and rapciousness has since become the primary driving force behind my beliefs. In short, we simply NEED to break free from these madmen, lest they drag our fair state into the abyss with them.
--Michael (Rohnert Park, CA)
1/25/05
I believe the time has come for California to secede. A state with an economy the size of California's should not be dragged down by the failed policies of the USA.
--Susan (Pinole, CA)
1/25/05
Let's do it. Let's get this on the ballot!
--Derek (Oakland, CA)
1/25/05
In your "ballot initiative" page, you have this paragraph:
"An independent California would also allow us to have a rational voice in foreign affairs. While some kind of military would be inevitable, it would only be enlisted to keep the peace and protect our citizens and, if necessary, support acts of aggression that TRULY endanger the world. But it won’t be a military that is used as a political tool to fight battles that are misguided (IRAQ), miscalculated (IRAQ) and mismanaged (IRAQ)."
I think you meant to say that the California military would only OPPOSE acts of aggression that truly endanger the world.
Also, from a PR standpoint, I would take my personal photo off the website if I were you, because it instantly raises the question of whether you consider yourself the future President of California, and ties your secession stance too much to your person, when in fact better results could probably be had by keeping the personal and the political separate. Just a few cents' worth from someone who would probably support secession if it came along in the right form.
--Josh (Los Angeles, CA)
1/25/05
I've thought about secession for years, even before Bush. It makes sense fiscally for all Californians. Since Bush, however, it not only makes even more sense but seems absolutely vital. This site has stated my reasons quite clearly so I won't repeat them here.
But don't forget the fact - yes, fact - that two national elections have been stolen so far. It was well-reported that the voting machines could easily be tampered with. How can anyone think that the RNC chose NOT to do that. Their credo is to win at any cost. The will of the people means nothing. Given that fact, there will never be another fair national election in the US again. They own the election machinery. That's not a democracy. We in California can build our own democracy to replace what has been stolen from us.
--Peter (-----, CA)
1/25/05
I personally would rather see the Bay Area secede, but California as a whole would do. I know that nothing we can do will change our status as one of the largest donor states in the union, and our wealth of natural assets signals we may be able to survive on our own. I would welcome the opportunity to be off the hook for the warmongering that apparently is a necessary step to keep the US as a nation running. So what if we can no longer steal the oil we think we need? The end of cheap oil will bring quick movement in the direction away from foreign oil dependence and toward a more sustainable community. We can't afford the financial cost, as well as the cost of Californian lives attached to surrendering our hard-earned tax dollars to the mother country. What did Boxer cite as the percentage of Iraq casualties coming from Californians? 20% or so? I don't remember but it was atrocious. I look forward to reading more about your movement and ideas!
--Amber (San Francisco, CA)
1/24/05
As a fiscally conservative American I favor California Secession.
--Gary (Santa Cruz, CA)
1/24/05
The USA is going to hell in a handbasket all becuase of George W. Bush. If California is to survive the state must breakaway as soon as possible.
--Joe (Los Angeles, CA)
1/24/05
If you think it's bad now, take away the 55 electoral votes from the democrats in the old USA and you will have a permanent fascist state right on your border, which a huge army and standing nukes. How long do you think it would be before you are taken back by force? Bad idea...
--Greg (Madison, WI)
1/24/05
I do think that the problem of religious fundamentalism in the U.S. is growing and probably unstoppable. It reinforces itself through an apocalyptic "end of times" mindset that encourages a supremely reckless foreign policy. This, in turn, makes the world a more and more dangerous place and completes the positive feedback loop by convincing the fundamentalists that they were right, that the End Times really are near.
The only clear solution I see is to disempower the Christian fundamentalists, to cripple them militarily and remove the weapons of mass destruction from their hands. The peaceful way to do this is simply to defund them. And one good way to do that might well be to have the blue states secede and join Canada (as has been suggested in a half joking manner by many) to form a wealthy secular society that would rival the remaining United States, remove its primary source of funding and innovation, and serve as the kind of role model for the free world that the U.S. once was.
Because I'm thinking it would be less effective and less likely to obtain a critical mass of public support, I am less interested in a purely Californian secession movement, but anything that advances the dialog on secession is probably a good thing.
--John (Claremont, CA)
1/23/05
I believe it would be a good idea to set a date for a Northern and Southern conference; this will energize people who are pro secession. The organization I belong to would probably be happy to help - Sonoma Valley Peace and Justice League, in the heart of the "wine country". Please let us know of your plans.
--Jim (Sonoma, CA)
1/22/05
As a native born Californian I have been thinking about the secession of California for years from a cultural, revolutionary and social point of view. Now I think the continued economic and political erosion of our democratic powers as a state to the federal government are creating a crisis for Californians. We can't afford to pay the bills for the rest of America and hold on to any decent standard of living for the majority of the people in our state. If we need to divide into five Californian states to get accurate representation, then we should do so. We need to keep our tax money to fight for housing, healthcare and the rights of native Californians. People have migrated here from all over the world and they have placed a high burden on the people who were born here. Our quality of life issues are being ignored by our federal representatives who are letting us be exploited. They are worried about politics and in their division they are failing us.
Californians! should united together to keep our tax dollars at home. We must look for new leadership that sends a clear message to the current federal fiscal radicals. We will not pay a higher tax burden with less benefits for our people than any other state. As a state, we cannot afford to stay in the United States for four more years under the current policies. The feds need us, if we unite together under states rights on economic issues it will be a first step to a stronger and better California in the future. We have to think like Californians first. Maybe we should have native born people who don't have another country they can return to or people who remember what it was really like in 1960. I know that that as long as we remain divided by special interest groups, as a state we will suffer economically,with a lower quality of life for all. Even the richest among us does not live in an island. With no adequate healthcare or trauma centers, disease or an accident could take the l! ife of any of us. With no border control or enforcement of our labor a nd immigration laws, we have no affordable housing and flat wages, or no jobs.
I think secession is more attainable than ever before in our history,and the politics in Washington sure make it necessary to send a contrary message to the rest of the world. But we don't need to go that far. We must act in a way that benefits us as Californians and Americans.
--Lilith (Bellflower, CA)
1/22/05
I believe it would be a good idea to set a date for a Northern and Southern conference; this will energize people who are pro secession. The organization I belong to would probably be happy to help - Sonoma Valley Peace and Justice League, in the heart of the "wine country". Please let us know of your plans.
--Jim (Sonoma, CA)
1/22/05
If a ballot measure is to be considered, it should be something that authorizes a formal study of creating a seperate country. That way there might be some rational debate and discussion and a positive vote would at least make Washington take notice.
--Eric (San Francisco, CA)

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